We've got another TNO guesting debut for you, this time it's Wil Williams of Hug House Productions! Wil and Mike share their thoughts on two chapters from Mark of Athena, as well as some Old People takes. Topics include: washing linens, the Arizona heat, Nest, European rules, crawfish, SHRIMPZILLA, The Wu-Tang Clan, Old Man Takes, Super Smash Bros., Mythbusters, A Bad Case of the Stripes, reverb, live podcasts, Terminator, The Gruffalo, boxed brownie mix, and more!

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